TALKING TO SECRETS OF THE WHALES COMPOSER, RAPHAELLE THIBAUT.

AFTER SHE WAS BORN, RAPHAELLE SUFFERED FROM A SERIES OF SEVERE EAR ISSUES THAT LED TO SINGLE-SIDED DEAFNESS. AT THE AGE 4, FOLLOWING HER DOCTOR’S RECOMMENDATION, SHE STARTED AN INTENSE PIANO PRACTICE.

MUSIC BECAME HER PATH TO RECOVERY.

SHE CONTINUED STUDYING MUSIC FOR 15 YEARS AT THE CONSERVATORY OF LILLE, FRANCE, WHERE SHE GRADUATED IN 2002.

FROM HER EARLY TEENS, ENNIO MORRICONE, JERRY GOLDSMITH AND FRANCOIS DE ROUBAIX SCORES WERE ALREADY PLAYING ON HER DISC-MAN.

IN 2015, SHE DECIDED TO LEAVE HER MARKETING JOB AT GOOGLE TO PURSUE HER LIFELONG PASSION FOR MUSIC AND FILM SCORING. SHE QUICKLY STARTED WRITING FOR INDEPENDENT FILMS AND MUSIC HOUSES AS WELL AS FOR BRANDS LIKE UBISOFT, COCA-COLA, SALESFORCE AND NIKE. MAJOR PLAYERS LIKE KPM/SONY PICTURES, WARNER MUSIC AND AUDIOMACHINE SOON STARTED TO COMMISSION HER TO COMPOSE LIBRARY ALBUMS FOR FILMS AND TV. SHE THEN BEGAN TO WORK FOR TRAILER HOUSES AND GOT FEATURED IN MAJOR HOLLYWOOD PRODUCTIONS LIKE INCREDIBLES 2 AND MALEFICENT: MISTRESS OF EVIL.

info from the official Raphaelle Thibaut web site.

SECRETS OF THE WHALES is such a beautiful score, how did you become involved on the project?

Thank you! Two agents who have been representing for years have been in touch with the production team at Red Rock Films at some point in the UK. The team remembered me afterwards and asked me to pitch for it. I was supposed to be writing for the series among other composer’s, but they finally decided to hire me for the whole show.

The music is at times classically orientated but then it displays a more contemporary style, did you have any specific direction from James Cameron the producer, or did you work with the two directors about the score or what style of music the series required, and was there a temp track on the film when you first viewed it?

Secrets of the Whales | Official Trailer | Disney+ – Bing video

The orchestral genre was a requirement from the beginning because it’s a Disney program and they wanted to be consistent. The score is more hybrid that it might sound indeed, with layers of pads, drones, synthetic brass and drums. I mostly worked with the filmmaker Brian Armstrong and the editors. I’ve worked on temp tracks that I think are already owned by National Geographic. And they were great cues! So, it was both inspiring and a challenge.

The series took three years to make, how much time did you have to score and record the four parts of the documentary and did you score them in the order that they were screened?

I started working on the score right after they were done with the filming. I worked one episode at a time, starting with Orca Dynasty in March 2020. This show was my Covid project! The four-episode scores were finished and approved by September.

The score sounds as if it is a mix of both synthetic or electronic and symphonic, what percentage of the score was performed by live musicians?

0% if we exclude me! There was no plan to record live players from the beginning, and this was even less of an option after the pandemic started. So, I did everything “in the box” as we say, using my software instruments, my piano and my voice.

still from secrets of the whales Disney +

What musical education did you have, and was writing music for film something that you had always wanted to do?

I played the piano from a very young age and pursued a classical education at the Conservatory for a good 10 years. I was always obsessed with film scores, but I don’t think I was ever aware of the concept of soundtracks when I was a kid. I was kicked out of music school at the age of 18, being told that I was not meant to be a professional pianist. Which was true! I found no interest in playing classical music in public, I actually hated it. But I wish someone would have told me back then that there were other paths, other genres I could play and that I could be a composer. Then I spent thirteen years of my life doing something completely different. But I went back to music, my first love, at 30 years old after I suddenly decided to quit my job in Tech. Never regretted it.

You are credited in the music department on Maleficent Mistress of Evil and The Incredibles 2, what did you work on for these movies?

I wrote the music for the official trailers.

Do documentaries require more music than say a feature film?

I would instinctively say yes, but I think it depends on the film. I don’t think I have enough experience in fiction to really make a clear statement about this, but I felt very free when writing for Secrets of the Whales and was allowed to go really big.

Sigourney weaver narrates the four part documentary.

What do you think music should do in a movie or a documentary?

It depends on the film, always. But I think it should always be this invisible character in the movie that subtlety squeezes your heart, hands you the tissues or makes you laugh. Sometimes, a music decision made during the spotting session or later can determine a scene. So, although it has often more of a supporting role, I think it has much more power than we’d sometimes think.

Were any of your family musical and can you recall any early memories of music as a child?

My parents are big fans of classical music, and my older sister is a professional violinist. I do recall these long Sundays filled with non-stop loud music in the house. I also remember wanting to listen / to play other genres of music. Sometimes in secret!

What artists or composers would you say have influenced you or inspired you?

Already as a kid I was very attracted to the composers from the late Romantic era (especially the Russian composers)- and I think it was an early sign of an unconscious fascination for cinematic music. A lot of the cinematic music genre took inspiration from the dramatism, large orchestra, use of leitmotif, and emotiveness of the romantic era). I was also very influenced by composers moving between classical and jazz. Polymath geniuses like Gershwin, or Leonard Bernstein. And I think my core film music influences come from the French and Italian cinema of the 60’s and 70’s. Ennio Morricone, Nino Rota (Amarcord, Romeo & Juliet), Giorgio Moroder (Midnight Express), François de Roubaix (Daughters of Darkness, The Old Gun.) George Delerue (Truffaut- The Day of the Dolphin, Agnes of God, Shoot the piano player).

When you are working on composing music, how do you work out your ideas, via piano or maybe computer?

Everything always starts with my piano. I try to have it next to me when I see the images for the time, then start writing melodies. This first encounter with the images is paramount to me. It’s the closest I can get to the audience experience, and I want to know how my music reacts to my emotions.

Introducing Selma Blair.

You have also recently scored another documentary, Introducing Selma Blair, will there be a soundtrack release of this score, and when a score of yours is released do you have any input into what cues are included?

Yes, this is a beautiful, powerful film. I can’t wait for it to be released. I hope there will be a soundtrack! Nothing confirmed yet. For Secrets of The Whales yes, I had a say on everything related to the soundtrack (what cues, what titles, what order).

What is next for you?

Two TV projects that I can’t share yet unfortunately, and a personal album for early next year! 🙂

new release coming soon on the decca label.

Bernard Herrmann

National Philharmonic Orchestra

Decca

25 June 2021

CD (4851585)

7 CD re-release of Herrmann’s Phase 4 film music recordings

Disc 1: Great Movie Thrillers

Disc 2: Great Film Classics

Disc 3: Fantasy Film World

Disc 4: Great Shakespearean Films

Disc 5: Mysterious Film World

Disc 6: Great British Film Music

Disc 7: Obsession OST

TALKING TO COMPOSER ALEXIS MAINGAUD.

Composer Alexis Maingaud’s score for The Sonata, is at the moment causing something of a stir amongst film music fans and critics alike, it is a work filled with driving but melodic themes and a score that not only enhances perfectly the films storyline, but is a rewarding and enriching listening experience on its own. My thanks to the composer for his time and for answering so many questions. jm.

What would you say is the purpose of music in film?

More than the purpose of film music, the question to ask ourselves is what is the purpose of a film? How is a film made? The most important answer among those possible, would be to say that to make cinema, it is above all to play in a team. Everyone has a role in giving the film the emotions the audience will feel. It is talent and general chemistry that will decide the intensity of these emotions. I would call it “a gathering of souls”. Film music is one of the souls of a film.

How did you become involved on The Sonata?

The director, Andrew Desmond, is an old friend. We studied cinema at the same school, and we even worked together on one of his first short films. After several years of working on our own, we met again in 2017 and discussed our respective projects, including The Sonata which caught my attention… He knew my background as a classical musician, and I knew his love for the great tradition of symphonic film music. In the summer of 2017, the production of the film validated the shooting. It was then that Andrew contacted me to write the piece for The Sonata which takes place in the film. I barely had a few weeks to compose and pre-record it with my violinist friend Olivier Leclerc. I had to compose this piece before shooting, to shoot the scene synchronously. I also met the actress Freya Tingley in Paris to give her some indications on the position and the musical intentions. 

Within the score for The Sonata there are some what I think are Jerry Goldsmith trademarks and nods to Bernard Herrmann, did the director of the movie have any specific instructions regarding the music and what sound or style it should have?

Andrew wanted a very particular musical aesthetic, with old and tormented sounds. Herrmann and his Vertigo score were obviously references. Herrmann brought so much to film music. The orchestration but also the rhythmic and melodic motif which was particularly innovative for its time. For my part, I immediately thought of Shostakovich, who is for me one of the most tormented and dark composers of the twentieth century. In addition, he is an artist who has spent his time paving his work with hidden messages in order to escape censorship (and goulag/death).

This point is more interesting when one thinks of Richard Marlowe (Rutger Hauer) who wrote his famous Sonata in a coded way.  As for Jerry Goldmisth, it’s more about reflecting my own influences. Jerry Goldsmith is one of my highest references, I deeply admire his work but also the man he was. Generous, simple, discreet, incredibly efficient and sensitive. Full mastery of his art. He also had a very special sense of action and the tension that it can cause. I particularly like his strong popular personality. He wrote music for “the people”, for what they had in their hearts, not for reviews or for posterity. 

You conducted the score for The Sonata, is this something that you try to do as much as possible, I mean conduct your own scores?

For me, conducting is the continuation of my work as a composer. In life, the more you multiply the intermediaries, the more your thinking is diluted. The cinema is already a collective sport, if film music is also very much, for me the fact of multiplying the intermediaries contributes to one thing: standardization. That is why I try to conduct my scores most of the time I can do it.

Although The Sonata contains a driving score, it still has many themes, do you think it is important for a score to have strong themes, and what do you think of the current trend to employ drone like sounds and soundscapes rather than melodic music in films?

In a pragmatic way, I think that it is above all the film, its esthetics and its degree of requirement which will decide the musical landscape that composer will create. Sometimes sound textures give incredible results. You just must look at the late Jóhann Jóhannsson. But indeed, I think that today we give more importance to the sound than to the note. For my part and as much as possible, I prefer to favor a thematic work because I think that the melody is the first responsible of audience’s dreams and wonders.

How large was the orchestra that you utilized on The Sonata and where did you record the score?

We had the chance to record with the Orchestre National d’Île de France, with more than 80 musicians.

Do you do all your own orchestrations, and do you think that orchestration is just as important as the composing of a score?

I orchestrate the entire score. It’s probably due to my orchestration studies. I cannot give this job to someone else. On the other hand, when you have a lot of music to write in a short period of time, you need a trustworthy person who re-reads you and advises you when you no longer have clear ideas, after several sleepless nights. My assistant, François, took care of re-reading my scores, writing the last elements such as nuances or phrasing for example. Once this step is finished, I reread the score one last time, sometimes adding the final touch, before it goes to print.

For me, there are only good ideas. Anyone can have a good idea, a beautiful melody that comes to them. The genius of the greatest composers lies in what they manage to do with their ideas. This is why orchestration is so important to me, it is largely a reflection of what we do with our ideas.

What musical education did you have, and what did you focus upon whilst studying?

 After studying the violin and the piano at the age of 6, I followed a course in composition, orchestration and conducting. I also studied at a film school in Paris where I obtained a sound engineering degree. Finally, I studied Musicology at Sorbonne University. However, the best school of film music remains the practice and the permanent questioning of its work.

Was film music something that you always wanted to do as a career?

Film music has always made me dream. But my first realization of its emotional power was when I saw Dragon Heart at the movies. I was deeply marked by Randy Edelman’s score. I was eight years old and it was at that moment that I understood how much music had on our emotions. It was at the age of 17 that I finally decided to make it my job. 

Are there any composers or artists that you would say have influenced you, in either your style of composing or your approach to scoring a motion picture? 

There are few film music composers that I really admire. I have a lot more admiration for a large panel of “classical” composers, from Russia, Eastern Europe, and France. Knowing that a good number of film music composers have drawn their roots there, we might as well go and take inspiration from its origin and try to understand how the musical language of a John Williams, for example, was developed.

But among the composers of film music, Jerry Goldsmith is one of my greatest inspirations. I deeply admire his capacity to aggregate simplicity, generosity, and high mastery of his job. For me, he was clearly a composer of the “People”. I also have a very particular sensitivity for Japanese composers. Let us quote Joe Hisaishi, Ryūichi Sakamoto, but also Tōru Takemitsu.

How many times do you like to see a potential project before you begin to formulate ideas as to what style or where music should be placed?

After watching a film with the director and spotting the places where it seems relevant to us to have music, I like to approach my first relationship with the film by improvisation on the Piano or with the voice. I look at the scene for the first or second time, then I let the images inspire me with musical elements, themes, chords … The light, the colours, the sets, the actors, their movements, their diction … Everything is source of inspiration. The final and most difficult step is to make all of these elements work together.

Do you come from a family background that is musical?

My parents have always played music for fun. My mother played the Accordion (although she always dreamed of playing the Piano) and my father played the Guitar. It was with him that I went on stage at the Piano for the first time. My brother, Samuel Maingaud, is also a professional musician, he plays the Saxophone and develops several personal projects. 

Do you score a movie in any order, maybe from main titles to end credits, or do you like to tackle central themes first and then develop the score from these?

I usually start by researching the “alphabet” of the movie I am composing the music for. Usually. I start with thematic research. I write or record a lot of themes and ideas. Very few will stand the test of final selection. I am also looking for a sound, a style, an aesthetic Once this work is done, the composition will be much more natural and will go much faster.

I like to take the sequences in the order of the film, to keep the audience’s original path as much as possible. However, this is sometimes not possible depending on the progress/process of the film.

Was there a temp track on The Sonata and do you find this practice of a director tracking the film with music helpful or distracting?

Andrew Desmond, the director of The Sonata, values music very much. He usually thinks about it from the screenplay and edits the film with specific ideas already. For The Sonata, we had a lot of temp tracks. This way of working does not bother me, it is also very common because it often saves a lot of time for producers (especially during editing). I approach the relationship to the temp track as a challenge: will you manage to do better, with your style and your sensitivity, while remaining in the right edit? Will the director prefer your version or that of Beethoven? Of course, I especially like working without a temp track, this is clearly the purest way to compose without any distractions. 

What will you be working on next?

I have several projects in pre-production. I hope to be able to say more in the coming months.

COMING SOON.

COMPOSER INTERVIEWS WITH ANTHONY WILLIS. (PROMISING YOUNG WOMAN).

ALEXIS MAINGAUD (SONATA).

GARETH COKER. (ORI AND THE WILL OF THE WISPS).

RAPHAELLE THIBAUT. (SECRETS OF WHALES).

SOUNDTRACK SUPPLEMENT FORTY ONE.

]AND THE NEXT THRILLING EPISODE OF….. FROM GLOSSY MAGS TO SILVER SCREEN AND TECHNICOLOUR CELLULOID.

PLUS………… SO MUCH MORE

ORI AND THE BLIND FOREST and ORI AND THE WILL OF THE WISPS.

The video game score has over the past few years grown in popularity, and it is also a medium that I see as something that will maybe encourage a younger generation of film music fans. Because let’s face it video game scores are film music, they are scores for moving images on screen, and I have to add that in the past three to four years these scores have certainly come of age with composers delivering grandiose and near operatic examples. One such composer is Gareth Coker, his music for two games caught my attention and have stayed with me as I return to them regularly.

Ori and the Blind Forest and Ori and the Will of the Wisps, are both amazingly well-crafted scores, these are a film music fans dream come true, overflowing with rich romantically laced themes, and also containing robust action material with ethereal sounding passages and haunting tone poems scattered throughout. The composer utilizes choir and female voice to great effect throughout both soundtracks, and underlines and enhances these with lilting and tender strings that are complimented by poignant sounding woods to achieve something that is for want of a better word pure. The composer has worked on many more projects shorts, movies, TV series and more games. His music is in a word stunning. The composer manages to evoke the sound and style of the golden age of Hollywood, but also infuses his compositions with a more contemporary sound that bares his own unique musical fingerprint, In the scores for the two Ori games he has established a sound that is innovative as well as inventive, creating wonderfully affecting thematic material that one cannot help but be attracted to because of its alluring and at times hypnotic musical persona.

I cannot say that one Ori score is better than the other, as both have so much within them that will please. Every cue is a delight, each composition is special, with every note being placed meticulously in position. If you are looking for grand, romantic, powerful, lyrical, action led, emotive, and a whole lot more, well its all here.

GARETH COKER.

These are predominantly symphonic works, with some synthetic support, but the lions share of the music is performed by live musicians. These are scores are an Oasis in a desert of electronic, sampled and synthetic soundtracks, a breath of melodic fresh air at a time when the drone and soundscape is beginning to wear a little thin.  Highly recommended.